May 16, 2012 16:55
11 yrs ago
English term
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Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Spanish to Russian, and 1 more.
12 am or 12 pm?
Non-PRO
English
Social Sciences
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Hello everyone,
If I need to say (in a legal document) that voting shall be conducted daily from noon (i.e.12 o'clock in the middle of the day) to 4 pm, what should I write?
1. Voting shall be conducted daily from 12 am to 4 pm.
2. Voting shall be conducted daily from 12 pm to 4 pm.
Thank you.
If I need to say (in a legal document) that voting shall be conducted daily from noon (i.e.12 o'clock in the middle of the day) to 4 pm, what should I write?
1. Voting shall be conducted daily from 12 am to 4 pm.
2. Voting shall be conducted daily from 12 pm to 4 pm.
Thank you.
Responses
| 4 +8 | 12 pm to 4 pm |
Natalia Potashnik
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| 5 +1 | 12:00 to 16:00 |
Jean-Claude Gouin
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References
| U.S. Government Style Manual |
Tony M
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Change log
May 16, 2012 19:05: writeaway changed "Field (specific)" from "Government / Politics" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"
Responses
+8
4 mins
Natalia Potashnik
United States
United States
Works in field
United States
English -> Russian
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
12 pm to 4 pm
12 pm to 4 pm, если с полудня до 16 ч
12 am to 4 pm, если с полуночи до 16 ч.
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Note added at 6 mins (2012-05-16 17:02:39 GMT)
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12 pm to 4 pm, if from noon to 16
12 am to 4 pm, if from midnight to 16
12 am to 4 pm, если с полуночи до 16 ч.
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Note added at 6 mins (2012-05-16 17:02:39 GMT)
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12 pm to 4 pm, if from noon to 16
12 am to 4 pm, if from midnight to 16
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks to everyone, thank you, Natalia."
+1
10 hrs
Jean-Claude Gouin
Canada
Canada
Canada
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Native in: French
Works in: French to English, English to French, French, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
12:00 to 16:00
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Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tony M
: Best solution, avoids any possibility of ambiguity!
1 hr
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Thank you, Tony, but it seems many people like ambiguity!
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Reference comments
12 hrs
Reference:
U.S. Government Style Manual
Noon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon
The 30th edition of the U.S. Government Style Manual (2008) sections 9.54 and 12.9b recommends the use of "12 a.m." for midnight and "12 p.m." for noon.
And this article from Wikipedia discusses it at greater length:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock
It is not always clear what times "12:00 a.m." and "12:00 p.m." denote. From the Latin words meridies (midday), ante (before) and post (after), the term ante meridiem (a.m.) means before midday and post meridiem (p.m.) means after midday. Since strictly speaking "noon" (midday) is neither before nor after itself, the terms a.m. and p.m. do not apply. However, since 12:01 p.m. is after noon, it is common to extend this usage for 12:00 p.m. to denote noon. That leaves 12:00 a.m. to be used for midnight at the beginning of the day, continuing to 12.01 a.m. that same day.
However, because practical confusion is still possible, some style guides recommend replacing "12:00 p.m." with "12:00 noon" and "12:00 a.m." with "12:00 midnight".
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Fourth Edition, 2000) has a usage note on this topic: "Strictly speaking, 12 a.m. denotes midnight, and 12 p.m. denotes noon, but there is sufficient confusion over these uses to make it advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight where clarity is required."[15]
Many U.S. style guides, and NIST's "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" web page,[16] recommend that it is clearest if one refers to "noon" or "12:00 noon" and "midnight" or "12:00 midnight" (rather than to "12:00 p.m." and "12:00 a.m."). Some other style guides suggest "12:00 n" for noon and "12:00 m" for midnight.[17]
The Canadian Press Stylebook (11th Edition, 1999, page 288) says, "write noon or midnight, not 12 noon or 12 midnight." Phrases such as "12 a.m." and "12 p.m." are not mentioned at all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon
The 30th edition of the U.S. Government Style Manual (2008) sections 9.54 and 12.9b recommends the use of "12 a.m." for midnight and "12 p.m." for noon.
And this article from Wikipedia discusses it at greater length:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock
It is not always clear what times "12:00 a.m." and "12:00 p.m." denote. From the Latin words meridies (midday), ante (before) and post (after), the term ante meridiem (a.m.) means before midday and post meridiem (p.m.) means after midday. Since strictly speaking "noon" (midday) is neither before nor after itself, the terms a.m. and p.m. do not apply. However, since 12:01 p.m. is after noon, it is common to extend this usage for 12:00 p.m. to denote noon. That leaves 12:00 a.m. to be used for midnight at the beginning of the day, continuing to 12.01 a.m. that same day.
However, because practical confusion is still possible, some style guides recommend replacing "12:00 p.m." with "12:00 noon" and "12:00 a.m." with "12:00 midnight".
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Fourth Edition, 2000) has a usage note on this topic: "Strictly speaking, 12 a.m. denotes midnight, and 12 p.m. denotes noon, but there is sufficient confusion over these uses to make it advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight where clarity is required."[15]
Many U.S. style guides, and NIST's "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" web page,[16] recommend that it is clearest if one refers to "noon" or "12:00 noon" and "midnight" or "12:00 midnight" (rather than to "12:00 p.m." and "12:00 a.m."). Some other style guides suggest "12:00 n" for noon and "12:00 m" for midnight.[17]
The Canadian Press Stylebook (11th Edition, 1999, page 288) says, "write noon or midnight, not 12 noon or 12 midnight." Phrases such as "12 a.m." and "12 p.m." are not mentioned at all.
Note from asker:
| Thank you, Tony. |
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