Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
cours d’eau encaissés
English translation:
steeply-banked streams/rivers
Added to glossary by
Joanne Nebbia
May 16, 2012 14:58
12 yrs ago
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French term
cours d’eau encaissés
French to English
Other
Geography
in a tourism text
More context: "À deux pas, se trouve le vieux bourg niché entre les cours d’eau encaissés du Chéran et du Fier" From the description of a mountain town in Savoie. Captured water springs to mind ... as a shot in the dark. Help
Proposed translations
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References
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Colin Rowe
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writeaway
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Change log
May 16, 2012 19:58: writeaway changed "Field (specific)" from "Tourism & Travel" to "Geography" , "Field (write-in)" from "(none)" to "in a tourism text"
Proposed translations
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Ireland
Native in English
Ireland
right word, right place. everytime
Native in: English (Variants: US, Canadian, Irish, UK) 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
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steeply-banked streams/rivers
and nestled for "niché"
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it would be highly doubtful that a town is situated or "nestled" between TWO GORGES (deep narrow ravines). Yes, the rivers run through gorges in the area but NOT here at this exact location
The gorge du Fier is actually 8km away from Rumilly
http://www.francethisway.com/places/a/rumilly-haute-savoie.p...
so, I believe the steeply-banked or steep-sided rivers is best. When does a stream turn into a river? Anyway, it seems they are called rivers here at Rumilla. I would not use "waterways" which brings to mind canals.
Here is a photo of a "steeply-banked river"; it's not necessary to actually have "banks" right along the course of a river/stream to describe it as such but use Phil's "steep-sided" if you prefer
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http://www.bridgesonthetyne.co.uk/bothalfb.html
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http://www.bridgesonthetyne.co.uk/bothalfb.html
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glad to have helped
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Note added at 20 hrs (2012-05-17 11:11:48 GMT)
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it would be highly doubtful that a town is situated or "nestled" between TWO GORGES (deep narrow ravines). Yes, the rivers run through gorges in the area but NOT here at this exact location
The gorge du Fier is actually 8km away from Rumilly
http://www.francethisway.com/places/a/rumilly-haute-savoie.p...
so, I believe the steeply-banked or steep-sided rivers is best. When does a stream turn into a river? Anyway, it seems they are called rivers here at Rumilla. I would not use "waterways" which brings to mind canals.
Here is a photo of a "steeply-banked river"; it's not necessary to actually have "banks" right along the course of a river/stream to describe it as such but use Phil's "steep-sided" if you prefer
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http://www.bridgesonthetyne.co.uk/bothalfb.html
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http://www.bridgesonthetyne.co.uk/bothalfb.html
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Note added at 8 days (2012-05-25 10:59:37 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to have helped
Note from asker:
| Thank you for this (and for the addendum), I have sent a summary of everything offered to my client so that they can insert the correct term! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks Gallagy"
+3
4 mins
Veronica Coquard
France
France
Native in English
Works in field
France
Votre élégance révélée à sa juste valeur
Native in: English (Variants: US, UK)
Works in: French to English, English
deeply embanked waterways
"Deeply embanked" is straight our of my Harrap's.
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Deeply embanked rivers would work in this case, too.
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Deeply embanked rivers would work in this case, too.
Peer comment(s):
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S Kelly
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Thank you!
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Marco Solinas
: Yes
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Thank you!
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Michel F. Morin
: Moi aussi je dis "yes"...
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Merci !
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ormiston
: an embankment is not a natural feature imho
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Hmm... Why not? And why would it have to be?
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philgoddard
: Ormiston is right - embanked means it's been done artificially. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/embanked
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deep streams
that's the first thing that came to my mind!
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incised streams, deep-valleys...
check Linguee.fr. It would have been helpful to give the name of the town: a quick check on Google Earth failed to show the valleys, and there's quite a bit of country between Cheran and Fier!
Note from asker:
| Sorry - its no big secret, the town is Rumilly |
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steep-sided waterways
Maybe it's just me but embanked sounds man-made and if as it seems here thete is hardly any bank as she sttreams/rivers have cut into stone there IS no actual. River bank
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French term (edited):
cours d’eau encaissé
gorge
boing 1
Note from asker:
| I get the gorge bit of your answer (well done - and thank you) but the explanation bit has really got me mystified ... is this yet another case of I need to get out more? |
Peer comment(s):
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ormiston
: so simple and apparently so right (wonder why they didn't say 'gorge')'
Gorges du Fier
www.gorgesdufier.com
1 avis de Google
D64
Lovagny
04 50 23 13 40
Autres résultats à proximité de Rumilly »
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writeaway
: is backed by info on the www. maybe the person who wrote the Fr was paid by the word???
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:-))
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Marian Vieyra
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thanks
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Sian Cooper
: OED, gorge, a narrow opening between hills or mountains, esp. one with rocky walls and a stream
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ah, fellow fan of the OED: I salute you!
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6 hrs
Salih YILDIRIM
United States
United States
United States
Meticulous, scrupulous, curious work!
Native in: Turkish (Variant: Standard-İstanbul ) 
Works in: Turkish to English, English to Turkish, French to Turkish, and 1 more.
Event of fusion
les cours d’eau encaissés du Chéran et du Fier means (I think) "Cheroan and Fier stream, maybe - combine andc constitute one river!
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nestled between the steep tributaries of the Chéran and the Fier
Hello,
I think that "Chéran" and "Fier" are tributaries. And, yes, in English it is best to translate "cours d'eau" by a specific body of flowing water. We do have a vague term in English like French does (i.e. cours d'eau = flowing body of water), but we are more likely to be specific (except in rare cases).
encaissé = steep (no need to say "steeply-banked" or "high-banked")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tributary
See a steep tributary here:
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1024&bi...
I hope this helps.
I think that "Chéran" and "Fier" are tributaries. And, yes, in English it is best to translate "cours d'eau" by a specific body of flowing water. We do have a vague term in English like French does (i.e. cours d'eau = flowing body of water), but we are more likely to be specific (except in rare cases).
encaissé = steep (no need to say "steeply-banked" or "high-banked")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tributary
See a steep tributary here:
http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1024&bi...
I hope this helps.
Peer comment(s):
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Yvonne Gallagher
: as stated in my response below, these are specific named rivers, NOT tributaries
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I suppose that "fleuves" are big rivers that flow into the sea, while "rivières" are rivers that flow into "fleuves" or other "rivières". I'm not sure what the best term would be for "cours d'eau" here. But technically, they are tributaries.
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Reference comments
29 mins
Colin Rowe
Germany
Germany
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Germany
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Reference:
For what it's worth:
The town in question could be Rumilly (perhaps asker could confirm?).
Wikipedia: "Fier (rivière)"
"Ses principaux affluents sont :
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le Chéran (rive gauche) à Rumilly
Wikipedia: "Fier (rivière)"
"Ses principaux affluents sont :
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le Chéran (rive gauche) à Rumilly
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Guy Bray
: Thanks: Google Earth clearly shows the incised bends and meanders of the two rivers.
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Reference:
backing gorges
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Territoire à Découvrir G u i d e . 2 0 1 1 . h a u t e - s a v o i e . f r a n c e
www.lac-annecy.com/congres/sports.../albanais.pd... -
Les gorges très typiques du Chéran et du fier offrent des paysages surprenants et inoubliables dans un milieu naturel préservé. Des accès aménagés sur le ...
Activités de pleine nature - Tourisme et loisirs - Bienvenue sur le site ...
www.cc-canton-rumilly.fr/.../Activites-de-pleine-n... - Translate this page
La baignade est présente sur le territoire avec la base de loisirs et le centre nautique de Rumilly. Les rivières du Chéran et du Fier offrent des gorges typiques et ...
Territoire à Découvrir G u i d e . 2 0 1 1 . h a u t e - s a v o i e . f r a n c e
www.lac-annecy.com/congres/sports.../albanais.pd... -
Les gorges très typiques du Chéran et du fier offrent des paysages surprenants et inoubliables dans un milieu naturel préservé. Des accès aménagés sur le ...
Activités de pleine nature - Tourisme et loisirs - Bienvenue sur le site ...
www.cc-canton-rumilly.fr/.../Activites-de-pleine-n... - Translate this page
La baignade est présente sur le territoire avec la base de loisirs et le centre nautique de Rumilly. Les rivières du Chéran et du Fier offrent des gorges typiques et ...
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