Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
forensic
French translation:
inforensique
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English term
forensic
English to French
Science
IT (Information Technology)
Bonjour,
Je traduis des documents dans le domaine de la sécurité de l'information, plus précisément dans la gestion des incidents liés à la sécurité de l'information.
J'ai ces phrases : "Supplier shall allow and support forensic investigations, including provision of all associated information, immediately when requested by X so that incident investigations are not jeopardized. In the event of a security or other incident that may require a chain of custody to be established a forensic investigation capability to be available to assist in any investigation".
Je ne sais pas trop comment traduire "forensic" : est-ce qu'il s'agit d'enquêtes scientifiques ? judiciaires ? autre terme ?
Merci d'avance de votre aide !
Je traduis des documents dans le domaine de la sécurité de l'information, plus précisément dans la gestion des incidents liés à la sécurité de l'information.
J'ai ces phrases : "Supplier shall allow and support forensic investigations, including provision of all associated information, immediately when requested by X so that incident investigations are not jeopardized. In the event of a security or other incident that may require a chain of custody to be established a forensic investigation capability to be available to assist in any investigation".
Je ne sais pas trop comment traduire "forensic" : est-ce qu'il s'agit d'enquêtes scientifiques ? judiciaires ? autre terme ?
Merci d'avance de votre aide !
Proposed translations
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4 +2 | inforensique | Trevino Translations (X) |
3 +4 | judiciaire | Kévin Bacquet |
3 -1 | criminalistique | Odette Grille (X) |
3 -1 | médicolégal | Raoul COLIN (X) |
References
forensics and forensic investigations | Germaine |
Change log
Oct 15, 2018 10:31: Trevino Translations (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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inforensique
As your text relates to IT, you may want to look at the term "inforensique".
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Daryo
: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatique_légale
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ph-b (X)
: aussi : analyse/enquête forensique (https://www.cyber-assurance.fr/definition/forensique/)
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B D Finch
: I think that would be unduly restrictive.
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disagree |
Germaine
: télescopage franglais qui n'a absolument rien à envier à "investigation numérique légale" ou à "informatique judiciaire/légale".
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agree |
Radu DANAILA
: avec Daryo
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci à tous pour vos réponses commentaires ! Je crois que Daryo a raison. En faisant quelques recherches, et selon le contexte de mon document, il semble que le terme "inforensique" soit privilégié pour qualifier des enquêtes/analyses de systèmes informatiques ayant pour but de rechercher des preuves/causes d'un incident, et qui peuvent se dérouler en interne, sans intervention d'autorités judiciares/policières."
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judiciaire
On voit mal ce que viendrait faire le "médico-légal" ici mais judiciaire me paraît une option sage
Peer comment(s):
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Renvi Ulrich
: Bien vu, Kévin! http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-fra.html?la...
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agree |
Christian Fournier
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neutral |
mchd
: médico-légal non, mais de la police scientifique !
1 hr
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agree |
El Mehdi Hakkou
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Daryo
: here it has NOTHING to do with the judiciary it's a about "IT forensics", and even for "ordinary" forensics "judiciaire" is an approximation.
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agree |
B D Finch
: Even though the judiciary would not be involved in countries with adversarial systems (e.g. the UK and US) they would be involved in France, where the police judiciare would be involved.
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Germaine
: investigations [numériques] judiciaires
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ph-b (X)
: Pas nécessairement ; le terme forensique est de plus en plus souvent employé sans référence à la police ou à la justice. Cf. discussion.
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criminalistique
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Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: no "IT forensics" is NOT about crimes - it may occasionally lead to discovering a crime, but that's not the point // A fire COULD also be a crime, but the fire brigade investigation is FIRSTLY about understanding how it happened.
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A security breach could be a crime, could it not ?
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1 day 4 hrs
médicolégal
wordreference dictionary
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: Might make sense [with a heavy dose of poetic licence] the day computers start being a replica of humans ...
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Reference comments
2 days 3 hrs
Reference:
forensics and forensic investigations
Criminalistics
Police detectives and investigators use criminalistics in crime-scene investigations. Criminalistics is “the scientific study and evaluation of physical evidence in the commission of crimes.” Criminalistics plays a vital role in organizing crime scenes, helping victims, ensuring justice, and serving the public.
https://online.vwu.edu/news/news/criminalistics/
Forensics
Forensic science is the application of science to criminal and civil laws, mainly—on the criminal side—during criminal investigation, as governed by the legal standards of admissible evidence and criminal procedure.
Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyze scientific evidence during the course of an investigation… In addition to their laboratory role, forensic scientists testify as expert witnesses in both criminal and civil cases and can work for either the prosecution or the defense…
Forensic science is the combination of two different Latin words… forensic, relates to a discussion or examination performed in public. Because trials in the ancient world were typically held in public, it carries a strong judicial connotation… science… is today closely tied to the scientific method, a systematic way of acquiring knowledge. Taken together, then, forensic science can be seen as the use of the scientific methods and processes in crime solving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_science
Forensic investigation
Forensics are the scientific methods used to solve a crime. Forensic investigation is the gathering and analysis of all crime-related physical evidence in order to come to a conclusion about a suspect. Investigators will look at blood, fluid, or fingerprints, residue, hard drives, computers, or other technology to establish how a crime took place. This is a general definition, though, since there are a number of different types of forensics.
Computer investigations are similar to electronic discovery (or e-discovery). These forensic investigations recover data from computers and hard drives to solve a crime or find evidence of misconduct. Computer investigators can uncover things like sale of black market goods, fraud, and sex trafficking. Some common situations that call for computer investigation are divorce, wrongful termination, employee internet abuse, unauthorized disclosure of corporate information, and other illegal internet activity. Forensic computer investigations can find information on cell phones and hard drives including emails, browsing history, downloaded files, and even deleted data. One of the first cases in which computer forensics lead to a conviction involved the messages exchanged in an online chat room.
https://www.pinow.com/investigations/forensic-investigations
Informatique judiciaire
Computer Forensics (l’informatique judiciaire) également connu sous le nom Cyber Forensics (investigation numérique) se réfère à l'analyse de l'information dans les systèmes informatiques ayant pour objectif de trouver des preuves numériques qui peuvent être utilisés dans des procédures judiciaires mais aussi pour découvrir la cause d'un incident. L'investigation numérique est le processus d'extraction des données et des informations des systèmes informatiques afin de s’en servir comme des preuves numériques à des fins civiques ou, dans la plupart des cas, pour prouver et interdire légalement la cybercriminalité.
https://pecb.com/fr/education-and-certification-for-individu...
Police detectives and investigators use criminalistics in crime-scene investigations. Criminalistics is “the scientific study and evaluation of physical evidence in the commission of crimes.” Criminalistics plays a vital role in organizing crime scenes, helping victims, ensuring justice, and serving the public.
https://online.vwu.edu/news/news/criminalistics/
Forensics
Forensic science is the application of science to criminal and civil laws, mainly—on the criminal side—during criminal investigation, as governed by the legal standards of admissible evidence and criminal procedure.
Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyze scientific evidence during the course of an investigation… In addition to their laboratory role, forensic scientists testify as expert witnesses in both criminal and civil cases and can work for either the prosecution or the defense…
Forensic science is the combination of two different Latin words… forensic, relates to a discussion or examination performed in public. Because trials in the ancient world were typically held in public, it carries a strong judicial connotation… science… is today closely tied to the scientific method, a systematic way of acquiring knowledge. Taken together, then, forensic science can be seen as the use of the scientific methods and processes in crime solving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_science
Forensic investigation
Forensics are the scientific methods used to solve a crime. Forensic investigation is the gathering and analysis of all crime-related physical evidence in order to come to a conclusion about a suspect. Investigators will look at blood, fluid, or fingerprints, residue, hard drives, computers, or other technology to establish how a crime took place. This is a general definition, though, since there are a number of different types of forensics.
Computer investigations are similar to electronic discovery (or e-discovery). These forensic investigations recover data from computers and hard drives to solve a crime or find evidence of misconduct. Computer investigators can uncover things like sale of black market goods, fraud, and sex trafficking. Some common situations that call for computer investigation are divorce, wrongful termination, employee internet abuse, unauthorized disclosure of corporate information, and other illegal internet activity. Forensic computer investigations can find information on cell phones and hard drives including emails, browsing history, downloaded files, and even deleted data. One of the first cases in which computer forensics lead to a conviction involved the messages exchanged in an online chat room.
https://www.pinow.com/investigations/forensic-investigations
Informatique judiciaire
Computer Forensics (l’informatique judiciaire) également connu sous le nom Cyber Forensics (investigation numérique) se réfère à l'analyse de l'information dans les systèmes informatiques ayant pour objectif de trouver des preuves numériques qui peuvent être utilisés dans des procédures judiciaires mais aussi pour découvrir la cause d'un incident. L'investigation numérique est le processus d'extraction des données et des informations des systèmes informatiques afin de s’en servir comme des preuves numériques à des fins civiques ou, dans la plupart des cas, pour prouver et interdire légalement la cybercriminalité.
https://pecb.com/fr/education-and-certification-for-individu...
Discussion
that's the part relevant for this contract! Suing left right and center is not going to help their business, getting the IT system to work will.
<p>« Enfin l’expression «police scientifique» porte une connotation de lien trop étroit avec la police; elle peut en amener plusieurs à douter de l’impartialité des experts. Faute de mieux, donc, nous utilisons l’expression «science forensique» pour désigner les sciences spécialisées dans les preuves savantes.» (https://www.usherbrooke.ca/droit/fileadmin/sites/droit/docum...
Coming from real life experience, not TV shows.
A company faced with a malfunctioning IT system is concerned about making it work properly - that's the first, second and third objective of "IT forensics" - possibly suing anyone is only a sideshow.
Just a digression, really totally unconnected: if you tried to learn rock climbing from Hollywood movies, most likely you would never come back from a real mountain.
@ Germaine:
"no company would be authorized to freely access the systems of a supplier (who also have confidentiality obligations!)"
???
Where did I say the opposite - that's exactly why this clause is included in the contract: "Supplier shall allow and support forensic investigations, ..."
"and no supplier would agree to such an access without a court order."
well on that one you got it wrong - faced with the spectre of losing a biiiig contract many suppliers would agree to quite a lot, almost anything.
Terme désignant la médecine légale, chez les anglo-saxons, et utilisé (souvent au pluriel: computer forensics) pour désigner toute activité visant à examiner un équipement informatique afin d'obtenir une preuve.
En français on lit de plus en plus souvent inforensique ou «investigation numérique».
This is about "information security":
Information security, sometimes shortened to InfoSec, is the practice of preventing unauthorized access, use, disclosure, disruption, modification, inspection, recording or destruction of information. The information or data may take any form, e.g. electronic or physical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_security
Dans le cas de la sécurité informatique, un "incident", du moins dans ce que j'ai lu et tapé, c'est un incident ou une "attaque" (pas une "panne"), d'où l'aspect forensic = "judiciaire/légale" et l'obligation de permettre et collaborer. Mais bon... Je lis peut-être trop ou pas assez!
"This has NOTHING to do with any judicial process", mais vous approuvez Trevilo avec une référence qui dit explicitement le contraire!
"Supplier shall allow and support forensic investigations"
if these "IT forensics" were about a criminal investigation lead by the judiciary, then on one would ask for any "permission to investigate" - suspects in criminal cases don't get to be asked for "permission to be investigated"
This has NOTHING to do with any judicial process - it about figuring out what went wrong if an "incident" happened. Most often that not IT "forensic investigation" will find shortcomings is used software, hardware faults or failures ... Occasionally it would uncover some illegal acts, but what is the main concern in this type of contract is "analysing how and why the IT system didn't function as expected".
In IT forensics there is no dead bodies or anyone wounded, only "dead" or misfunctioning IT equipment, more often as a result of various forms of incompetence than due to any kind of crime.
In the event of a security or other incident that may require a chain of custody to be established a forensic investigation capability to be available to assist in any investigation
"may" => only in some cases it will be necessary to get and secure evidence needed for possible legal action, but it will not always be the case.